Wednesday, 7 October 2015

OCT 2: THE OZ - Malcolm Turnbull to reset terror pitch to Muslims

THE PRINTED VERSION OF THE OZ HAS PAUL MALEY AS THE THIRD AUTHOR: why is he not owning up to this article?
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Malcolm Turnbull to reset terror pitch to Muslims


Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi in Canberra. ‘I believe Malcolm Turnbull will be more mature.’ Picture: Gary Ramage
Malcolm Turnbull will seek to ­recast the government’s relationship with Muslims through more co-operative and inclusive policies after warnings from security agencies that relations with the ­Islamic community have sunk to their lowest ebb.
The move will see the new Prime Minister avoid the blunt and often divisive language used by his predecessor Tony Abbott, which alienated many in the ­Islamic community and undermined the ability of agencies to win their trust to help combat ­radicalisation.
The Australian understands that Mr Turnbull will adopt a new, more inclusive tone in dealing with the Islamic community and has discussed the issue with ­Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and Justice Minister Michael Keenan, who both urged him to take the fresh approach.
He is expected in coming weeks to emphasise the need to work ­co-operatively with the Muslim ­community in order to rout extremists and extremist ideology from communities.
The move, which represents a departure from the policies of the Abbott government, will be embraced by the country’s Muslims, according to community leader and GP Jamal Rifi.
“It is definitely needed and definitely welcomed — the larger Muslim community will respond with open arms,” Dr Rifi told The Australian.
He said the Muslim community was “elated” at Mr Turnbull becoming Prime Minister as the relationship with the government under Mr Abbott had become “extremely tense and hurtful”.
“Unfortunately, under the ­pre­vious government we felt power­less,” Dr Rifi said. “We felt that the community was fighting radicalisation with our hands tied behind our back, but now we hope that the shackles are off.
“We are hopeful and determined to change the status quo and roll up our sleeves to work with the present government to help protect Australia.
“This means the protection for boys and girls not to fall for the trap of ­Islamic State and the likes … we can’t shield them from the propaganda, but we can empower them to resist it.”
Security agencies told the ­government in the final months of Mr Abbott’s leadership that relations with the Muslim community were at their lowest ebb, making it harder for authorities to gain the trust and co-operation of Muslims to alert agencies to possible threats.
Liberal senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, who has been consulting with 160 Muslim groups across the country on national secu­rity policy, told The Australiancommunities were feeling marginalised and there was a “growing distrust” of government.
“At the moment what is ­basically happening is (that) because of a growing distrust and problems in these communities, these communities have moved away from us … they feel very marginalised,” Senator Fierravanti-Wells said.
“Basically what has happened is they have clamped up, they are not really engaging and therefore relationships have dried up. They feel very marginalised. Of course, good intelligence is based on good relationships.”
The senator, who has more than 30 years’ experience working with multicultural groups and has close links to the Muslim community, said the government needed to build a relationship of trust with communities at risk.
She called for the “complex” issue of countering extremism and preventing youth becoming disenfranchised to be dealt with as a social issue. “In my view, we have been dealing with extremism and violent extremism as a national security issue, but what we really need to do is to be looking at it from a different perspective; it is a social issue with a national security angle.”
Dr Rifi said Mr Abbott had alienated many in the Muslim community through poor choice of words. These included his ­comment in February that he wished more Muslim leaders would describe Islam as a religion of peace and mean it, and his use of terms such as “Team Australia” and “death cult”.
“I believe Malcolm Turnbull will be more mature and insightful and that the government he leads will not fall for such short-minded, unwise use of words,” Dr Rifi said.
Since becoming Prime Minister, Mr Turnbull has shunned ­expressions such as “team Australia” and has not described ­Islamic State as a “death cult”.
Dr Rifi, in Canberra yesterday to receive an honorary doctorate from the University of Canberra for leadership of the Muslim community and his stand against ­hatred and social injustice, said he attended a meeting of Islamic leaders on Tuesday to discuss the challenges of radicalisation and that Mr Turnbull’s rise to the leadership was discussed.
“The mood was optimistic about the change,” he said. “Definitely there are some issues that need to be ironed out, some grievances, but we are very optimistic.”
He believed the tone of the government was already changing for the better under Mr Turnbull. He said many Muslims had been offended when the Abbott government indicated it was more likely to accept Christians rather than Muslims in the new intake of 12,000 Syrian refugees announced last month. “It gave the impression that Syrian Muslims are not welcomed and that was another blunder by the government. Such a great announcement (to take 12,000 refugees) should have been used to strengthen the interaction between the communities (yet) it was more divisive than inclusive.”
He said a teleconference this week between Muslim community leaders and Paris Aristotle, the head of the Refugee Resettlement Advisory Council, made it clear the Syrians would be chosen on the basis of need, not religion.
“I believe this new approach (by the government) has already started,” Dr Rifi said.
In July, Mr Turnbull outlined his attitude to countering violent extremism in Australia, saying it was more ­important to respond to the terror threat with effective measures rather than simply being “tough”.
He quoted former ASIO director David Irvine, who had said: “We should not let the phenomenon of violent Islamist ­extremism destroy the community harmony that is such an essential characteristic of Australia’s highly successful multicultural democracy. That is precisely what violent extremism and terrorism want to do.”
Veteran MP Philip Ruddock, who is working with Senator ­Fierravanti-Wells on community engagement, said he would not comment on Mr Abbott’s lang­uage, but he believed it was ­important to ensure diversity in the community was respected.
Additional reporting: Paul Maley
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Jason

Jason
Great to see this story still up, I was worried it might have been taken down after yesterdays shooting.

Teddy

Teddy
@Jason Yes, just great Jason. Chamberlain had the same "great" idea in the 1930's. So did the French. So did the Dutch.

Margaret

Margaret
And was yesterday's shooting at Parramatta just another emphatic endorsement of Turnbull's new engagement with our Moslem friends?
Margaret's bestie.
Tim'

Tim'
Perhaps we need both a new conservative political party and a new conservative news paper?
Tired of leftist Crap

Tired of leftist Crap
Well now appeasement really works. Another Islamic murderer but only 15 years old. There are plenty more where he came from and so it will go on one at a time until breeding causes a tipping point then it will be on for young and old. Deakin university is supporting radical Islam by allowing a radical to preach there. What has this country descended to.

Lynda

Lynda
Dr Rifi needs to understand that no amount of taxpayer money for funding programs aimed at disenfranchised youth will persuade them to disobey the prophet Muhammad's teachings from the Quran taught daily in mosques and Islamic schools. The Quran contains over one hundred verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers (people who are not Muslim) for the sake of Islamic dominance ruled by sharia (law). Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill 'infidels' (non believers) wherever they may be.
Until these verses are denounced or removed, Australians will be very wary of Muslim migrants and those who already live amongst us.
Anne N

Anne N
Mr Rifi, who are you to judge maturity? Give me Mr Abbott any day to the comments you have made.. You refused to meet a man who genuinely wanted the best for all Australians.. What do you want Mr Rifi? Seriously can you tell us exactly what you wish for Australia, the one you envisage in 20 years from now? Truthfully now tell us your dream for our Country.

Andy

Andy
The problem is that Islam consists of various groups who themselves do not see eye to eye, yet people tend to view them all as the same when indeed they are not.
I live in a Muslim country and many of the Muslims I know and work with are welcoming, respectful and extremely hospitable. 
Like any religion, group or race, there are good and bad - we need to stop alienating the good by assuming they are all bad. They too resent the damage that minority groups claiming to represent Islam have done. 
A policy of engagement will surely do more good than isolation decent people. I have seen this first hand during my 23 years in the Army.

Peter

Peter
And just who does the isolating, the host country or the Islamic community? Instead of being so hyper sensitive, Muslim leadership could have taken the words "Team Australia" as a call to join the rest of the community to form one nation. But they chose victim hood instead, blaming big bad Tony for their perceived woes.

Andy

Andy
@Peter I can say with certainty that having fought the Taliban and Iraqi insurgents, winning the hearts and minds of good and honest people is imperative. Its not a new concept. Its called common sense rather than being hyper sensitive and its based on experience my friend. 

Colin

Colin
I see some negative comments here but let's not lose our heads and get carried away. We should all be proud that our new Labor Prime Minister is making this appeasement. It will keep us safe in our schools, cafes and police stations.

Roger

Roger
For every muslim apologist there are ten ordinary folks with the wisdom to see Islam for what it is: a dangerous, supremacist, totalitarian ideology. Politicians had better pay attention, because non-mutual tolerance is coming to an end.


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luke

luke
@Bob @Sandy Bob, could you let us know what you actually think of Islam? I take it you are of the Left, so how do you reconcile your defence of a religion that blatantly attacks everything you represent and probably stand for? 

luke

luke
@Bob @Sandy I mean, you can't just base your defence of Islam simply because you associate it's followers with a particular race and therefore see an attack on its ideology as an attack based on Racism?


Paul

Paul
Not content with white anteing our Prime Minister, Mal is now going to white ante the whol country thereby getting even with us as well!

StarkRavingSane

StarkRavingSane
News Flash: Abbott is no longer PM (thank Budda.) 

Paul

Paul
@StarkRavingSane @Paul I'm fully aware that Tony Abbott unfortunately is no longer our Prime Minister SRS and if it's good enough for you to speak to me like an idiot the it should be fair enough for me to reply in kind and I know who the idiot is SRS and it ain't me.  I suggest you go and have a good look at yourself in the mirror SRS and you might just see a reflection of what you reckon I am!

StarkRavingSane

StarkRavingSane
That's a pretty good description of the psychological defense mechanism: "Denial and projection". A genuine compliment by me by the way. Naturally, I don't see it applying to me :) 

Peter

Peter
@StarkRavingSane @Paul I think I know what you do for a crust...You do know what they say about Psychologists don't you?

Am I right?

StarkRavingSane

StarkRavingSane
My two kids are wonderful, successful and self assured and we get on very well. So there!
BTW I'm not a psychologist but all the psychologists I know are a mixed bag. Some are loopy but interesting. Most are are really good parents and partners. Beware of commonly-held stereotypes. You're average Muslim is a good egg too.

luke

luke
Shooting outside police station in Sydney. What would be the odds?

Sandy

Sandy
@luke Hmmm, news reports would suggest you jumped the gun, as it were, luke. Not for the first time, of course.

Peter

Peter
@Sandy @luke Sandy, What do you know? You could break it right here for me...can't seem to find anything except two dead, man of ME appearance dressed in black, Intelligence sources had word...all allegedly of course here at The Australian and Daily

Come on, spill!

Deborah

Deborah
Apparently, according to the ABC, 'it's not a terrorist attack'!

Thomas

Thomas
Sounds pretty terrifying to me but the ABC has already virtually concluded it is not a terrorist attack saying the ABC "understands it is not a terrorist attack". How the hell would it know at this stage.

Isabelle

Isabelle
@Thomas Agreed, the MO sounds suspicious. Shot a police IT expert and continued firing at the building until police guards shot him.
arlys

arlys
@Thomas To the ABC it was not a terrorist attack in Martin Place. Just some bloke who did not like the coffee.
Sandy

Sandy
@Peter @Sandy @luke Non-terror related, I hear, Pete. Sorry to disappoint.

Peter

Peter
@Sandy @Peter @luke I'm not disappointed. I know the ABC 'understands' that it is not 'terror' related, but let's not jump to conclusions. ME men in black and prior operational intelligence, special constables, mean it could be anything. And it wouldn't be the first time an Australian policeman had been targeted would it?

luke

luke
@Sandy @luke By the way Sandy, the thing with stereotypes, such as the stereotype of a "Muslim Terrorist attacking a police station", is that it has to actually occur regularly for the stereotype to form. Does that mean that Every Muslim is a terrorist - absolutely not - it does however mean that whenever a Police station is attacked, the odds are in favour of it being carried out by a Muslim terrorist.

I don't see how deliberately blinding oneself to such probabilities in the name of political correctness can possibly help in solving the matter.    


Sandy

Sandy
@luke @Sandy Facts, as they are, still to be established, luke. But who cares, right?

Peter

Peter
@Sandy @luke Who was that bloke? Held up a flag with the Shahada on it? Had a bandana with some call to something-or-other, asked to be identified with that misunderstood mob overseas?

As I recall that didn't have anything to do with terror for many, many pundits. You know, crazed individual. Lone wolf. Nothing to with you know what. It's a pretty high bar in some circles for something to be named 'terrorism.'

But you're right. Lets wait for the facts before we worry about Australia's Islamophobia. I mean this crazed gunman's motivations. Or not.

Paul

Paul
@Peter @Sandy @luke "It's a pretty high bar in some circles for something to be named 'terrorism.'"

To be classified as terrorism it needs to be a politically motivated act of terror.

Peter

Peter
@Paul @Peter @Sandy @luke Thanks, Yoda. So the bit where our erstwhile lone wolf asked for his actions to be associated with IS didn't count as 'political motivation?'

Paul

Paul
@Peter @Paul @Sandy @luke No.  It was a confected request.

Peter

Peter
@Paul @Peter @Sandy @luke Ah...so he was making up his wish to be associated with IS because he was an unwell lone wolf? The whole flag and bandana and list of demands was mere window dressing?

Who's that guy at UNWA that did that bogus 'all global warming denialists' are right wing loonies? He was wrong.

Paul

Paul
@Peter @Paul @Sandy @luke "Ah...so he was making up his wish to be associated with IS because he was an unwell lone wolf? The whole flag and bandana and list of demands was mere window dressing?"

Yep.
luke

luke
@Sandy @luke Matter of perspectives, isn't it Sandy?  But perspectives should be informed, where possible, by facts and reality. We know that Islamic ideology promotes the idea of Jihad, that can be legitimately interpreted as either a personal internal struggle or a religious condoned act of physical aggression/violence against pre-ordained (koranic verses) targets - non-believers, Apostates, infidels etc. We also know that individuals from the areas that are heavily ideologically Islam (not exclusive however), show far more aggression and discrimination towards minorities (both religious and sexual), women and children. We also know that such individuals that fit into these categories have a very hard time adjusting to Australian Liberal values (like respecting Australian Law) and often have a higher level of Law breaking than the native population. 

Taking what we know, we can then either ignore the probabilities of allowing such individuals who follow such an ideology into our Country, or we can make informed decisions to minimize the risk to our fellow Australians.

This is where our perspectives come in. My perspective is to protect my Fellow Australians and my liberal society from such violence and backward ideology because I view what we have as far better (advanced, moral etc) than what these "newcomers" come from/bring with them. This means that I would limit their numbers to preserve what we have.  

Your perspective I would assume is one of moral equivalence and white guilt, and therefore would try hard to ignore what is going on.         


Isabelle

Isabelle
@Sandy Actually no, it is reported in the Australian that the shooter was of Middle Eastern appearance, dressed in black. 
Thomas

Thomas
Latest reporting suggests that the police station had been alerted to a possible attack on the police building by intelligence sources. Witnesses are reporting that a man dressed in a black gown sprayed the building with bullets before being shot by police.

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