Tuesday 27 August 2013

Caution needed in considering intervention in Syria abc 26/8

Caution needed in considering intervention in Syria

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 26/08/2013
Reporter: Emma Alberici
Foreign minister Bob Carr discusses the Syrian crisis and says American caution in taking action is justified.

Transcript

EMMA ALBERICI, PRESENTER: To discuss the situation in Syria, we were joined in the studio by the Foreign Minister Bob Carr just a short time ago. 

Senator Carr, welcome

BOB CARR, FOREIGN MINISTER: Pleasure to be here.

EMMA ALBERICI: Given the seriousness of last week's chemical attack in Syria and the growing certainty that the Assad regime was responsible, what do you think is the likelihood that Western countries will intervene militarily?

BOB CARR: Well the difficulties of intervening in Syria have been set out in a very thoughtful letter to Congress from General Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, July 19 this year. There are big costs and considerable risks attached to each of the available options. No-fly zone - I'm looking at his letter - buffer zones, control of chemical weapons. So a lot of thought has got to go into this and again I think - as I've said before, I think the caution of the Obama administration is very well placed, very well placed. A rush to arm the opposition when that was a popular option late last year or earlier this year, I don't think in retrospect would've served anyone at all. Especially given the growth we've witnessed in the presence of al Nasra and al-Qaeda in that loose coalition of militias that makes up the Syrian opposition. I think the caution of the Obama administration is to be applauded and in that spirit I'd be happier if they took as long about this as they need to. And the letter was addressed to the chairman of the Committee on Armed Services, the Honourable Carl Levin - are still relevant.

EMMA ALBERICI: You say that was from July 19. That's some four or five weeks ago now and we're hearing reports that there was a 40-minute telephone conversation between David Cameron and Barack Obama about the possibility of a military strike within two weeks.

BOB CARR: Indeed, but the point the chairman of the Joint Chiefs made about limited stand-off strikes, which is a rubric that I imagine would capture the missile strikes that have been discussed, would still be relevant. He says, for example, (reading from documents) "The force requirements would include hundreds of aircraft, ships, submarine and other enablers. Depending on duration, the cost would be in the billions. Over time the impact would be the significant degradation of regime capabilities. There's a risk however that the regime would withstand limited strikes by dispersing its assets." He goes on to talk about "retaliatory strikes are also possible" and "a possibility for collateral damage". 

Now, one briefing I've had in recent days suggests that when the US has deployed precisely what you were suggesting in the past, the commanders have had to make - have had to make a calculation of the civilian deaths that would occur with each and every strike. From our perspective, the well-established caution of the Obama administration is altogether understandable.

EMMA ALBERICI: But it would appear that the UK is not sounding as cautious. Indeed, your British counterpart, William Hague, has said just in the last 24 hours, "We cannot in the 21st Century allow the idea that chemical weapons can be used with impunity and there are no consequences. We intend to show that an attack of this nature will pass without a serious response." What do you expect he means by a serious response?

BOB CARR: Yeah, there's nothing in that spirit that I or Kevin Rudd would disagree with. One only had to see the footage. Chemical weapons lend themselves to what are known as mass atrocity crimes. The fact that Doctors Without Frontiers in the last 24 hours have suggested - I think confirmed, would be the stronger verb, that three hospitals in Damascus in the space of less than half a day treated 3,600 people with these toxic symptoms, that would suggest that this doesn't belong in the catalogue of mass atrocity crime.

EMMA ALBERICI: It's reported that the Elysee Palace said the French President had spoken to Kevin Rudd over the weekend. Can you share with us exactly what the nature of those talks were?

BOB CARR: It was a long conversation. I spoke to my French counterpart on Saturday night after the meeting of the National Security Committee in Canberra. The French feel very strongly about this. They have a historic attachment to the welfare of this part of the world. They've been very focused on the humanitarian catastrophe. I heard the French President say at a Friends of Syria meeting that what we're witnessing in Syria is an escalation of a catastrophe, an escalation of catastrophe, which is a vivid way of putting it ...

EMMA ALBERICI: It all seems the semantics, the semantics are changing, but they're all gathering toward a similar conclusion that something must be done. I guess the question is: what will that something be? Especially given Barack Obama was the one to say that a chemical strike would signal some kind of red line?

BOB CARR: Yeah, something must be done indeed, but we look forward - we haven't received it yet - we look forward to a briefing from the Americans on which of these options the White House is attracted to, after considering what the military has bowled up to it. As General Dempsey said in one of the two letters he sent to the Congress, "We're presenting what is possible. It's up to the political masters to determine what is desirable."

EMMA ALBERICI: When do you expect that briefing?

BOB CARR: I can't speak for the White House or for the US administration. But I am comfortable, the Prime Minister is comfortable with a US administration that gives due weight to all these considerations. Here is an administration, Emma, let me just underline this, that has sought to extricate America from two wars in the region, led by a President who was a noted opponent of the Iraq intervention and who's spoken on several occasions about the dangers attached to various of these options: arming the opposition, no-fly zone, buffer zones. I think Australians, I think Australians are 1.) filled with revulsion about the prospect of a government in this day and age using chemical weapons to achieve a mass atrocity, but 2.) I think this is the Australian mood: after Iraq, comfortable with an American administration that is carefully weighing consequences here, fully aware of the dangers of unintended outcomes.

EMMA ALBERICI: Now next Sunday, Australia assumes the presidency of the UN Security Council. How much influence do you expect Australia to have over any decision about an appropriate response to Syria, or do you expect such a response, if it is to be in the form of a military strike, to take place beyond the auspices of the UN?

BOB CARR: Well that's an acute question. It all hinges on the response of the Russians. That's why the accumulation of evidentiary data at this point is very significant. The question to ask is: will the data - will the material, will the evidence, will the information gathered by the UN team confirm to Russia's satisfaction that chemical weapons were deployed; and second, will other evidence - because the UN team's not going about this - will other evidence, will other evidence persuade the Russians - very hard-headed, very realist on this question especially - that the use of weapons was that of the Assad administration.

EMMA ALBERICI: On both counts, extremely difficult to prove. Especially at this late stage, some five or six days after the attack.

BOB CARR: Yeah. So the Russians have been very, very hard-headed on this and prepared to cut slack for their ally, their friend, their supporter in the region, the Assad Government. However, if the evidence is compelling enough, that is the evidence not only of chemical weapons use. but of use by the Assad forces, I would like to think that President Putin's administration would say, "That is enough. We now assume responsibility for achieving," what really should be consensus of the world on this - 1.) a ceasefire, so that not only chemical weapons stop being used, but all weapons by all militias; and second, a commitment to what was resolved on at Geneva in the middle of last year: a peaceful political transition towards a democratic, pluralist, multi-faith Syria, with the people of Syria, the people of Syria, not militia, not military, choosing the composition of the coalition that governs the country through a fair and transparent election.

EMMA ALBERICI: Next week, Thursday and Friday, you'll be off to the G20 meeting in Russia. Are you going to offer to take Julie Bishop with you, given the polls suggest she'll likely be the new Foreign minister just days after this meeting in Russia?

BOB CARR: Yeah, I'm punctilious about adhering to the caretaker conventions. I - so is the Prime Minister. We've actually got a book on our desks which spells out what the obligations are. And there's nothing to be gained by not doing that. The convention doesn't require the attendance at a conference of the Opposition spokesperson, but full briefings. And that means briefings without any inhibitions, and I'm offering, as I have on other occasions, briefings to the Opposition on this. But it comes ...

EMMA ALBERICI: But it would be within your remit to invite her along.

BOB CARR: No, that's - no-one's suggested that to me and the caretaker convention doesn't suggest it, let alone require it. We make no commitment during this caretaker period that would bind an incoming administration. I think that is the key test.

EMMA ALBERICI: Now there are 12 days to go for to you reverse the trend in the polls. You're particularly aware of what's happening in Sydney. What do you put the poor showing down to, especially in Western Sydney?

BOB CARR: Well first of all I think Labor stabilising, confirmed by the Newspoll today, and then regaining the momentum is going to happen. I think apart from anything else, the public reaction I've experienced when I've been mixing with the voters to this colossal ramshackle parental leave scheme that Tony Abbott, against the opposition of everyone else in his party, has embarked on, has committed to, I think is gaining traction with the electorate. People realise how essentially unfair it is and how you cannot be talking about debt and deficit while signing the country up to a thoroughly uncosted hybrid proposition like this.

EMMA ALBERICI: Well they say it is costed. They say it has been costed by the ...

BOB CARR: Yeah, it's not. I saw Joe Hockey flailing around on Q&A. It was the least convincing performance by a shadow Treasurer I can recall. So first of all, I'm encouraged by the public response to that, to think Labor can regain ground in this week, and then fight hard in the final week of the campaign. I think a big factor in it is the extraordinary media bias we've encountered. I have never seen - and I say this as someone who hasn't complained about the media as a rule, but I've never seen the coordinated - I'd only describe it as the coordinated attacks on any government that I've seen coming from the News Limited tabloids. 70 per cent of the papers in this country are controlled by Rupert Murdoch. And there's no doubt they're being mobilised to vilify the Labor government and in particular its Prime Minister. I mean, everything - every article - I cannot nominate a front page devoted to federal politics in the Courier-Mail or the Daily Telegraph in Sydney that hasn't been there to deride, to treat in a derisory fashion, the Labor Prime Minister of Australia. Or to treat, or treat in an uncritical fashion ...

EMMA ALBERICI: What's the motivation, do you think?

BOB CARR: I don't know enough about the national broadband scheme to tell you the extent to which News Limited would be disadvantaged or whether they'd be disadvantaged at all.

EMMA ALBERICI: So what do you suspect is the motivation?

BOB CARR: I can't answer that question.

EMMA ALBERICI: Could it just be because they don't think the Government's done a good job?

BOB CARR: It might be that they do it because they can do it, but I think that leaves Australians ...

EMMA ALBERICI: But isn't it entirely possible that they believe your government hasn't been a good one?

BOB CARR: It could well be the case. But shouldn't the Australian people, Emma, make that decision, with all the facts before them, without being bullied and bustled in that direction by a coordinated campaign by 70 per cent of the newspapers in the country? On the bottom line, this is about a fair go for the Australian people. Let the Australian people make up their minds themselves. Let them look at newspapers ...


EMMA ALBERICI: Ultimately they will, though. They don't read a newspaper to be told how to vote.

BOB CARR: The corrosive effect of having derisory front-page treatment of the Government every second day and flattering treatment of the Opposition every other day is very real. Let the Australian people look at newspapers and hear TV bulletins that give both sides. It's not hard for other newspapers to do it. And News Limited papers have done it in other elections. It's a requirement for a fair go. Fair treatment, so that in that spirit the Australian people can exercise what is the greatest glory of our public life, and that is, a decision made by the public, the public are the masters in a free and fair election.

EMMA ALBERICI: Finally, Senator, the Prime Minister and his Deputy Anthony Albanese today announced plans for a high-speed rail link - I think it was between Melbourne and Brisbane - by 2035. You made a similar pledge in 1998 to deliver high-speed rail between Sydney and the Central Coast by 2010 and many people are still waiting for that.

BOB CARR: No, I didn't make that pledge. I would've been eviscerated if I'd made that pledge. We conducted a number of studies of high-speed rail, but it won't work without a Federal Government commitment. You need that investment of national resources. 

EMMA ALBERICI: My questions was going to be: why has high-speed rail been so hard to achieve in Australia?

BOB CARR: I think it's because of the population numbers and the population distribution in Australia. We had it looked at between Sydney and Canberra, and between Sydney and Canberra on its own, it was very hard to justify the extent of the public subsidy. Some years have passed since that study, and valuable as it was, it's been overtaken by population growth - Australia's had the highest population growth of any industrial country - and by changing economics.

EMMA ALBERICI: Bob Carr, thanks so much for coming in for us.

BOB CARR: Thank you, Emma. Thank you.



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Labor promises high speed rail abc 26/8

Labor promises high speed rail

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 26/08/2013
Reporter: Tom Iggulden
Kevin Rudd has pledged $52m for a study into how to build a high speed rail line, and says the line would be better value than the Coalition's paid parental leave scheme.

Transcript

EMMA ALBERICI, PRESENTER: Labor has revived plans for a high-speed rail network as a key poll showed the Government making up a small amount of ground on the Opposition's lead.

Kevin Rudd says a bullet train is a better use of money than the Opposition's paid parental leave scheme.

But Tony Abbott's questioned the decades-long timeframe to complete the potential project.

Political correspondent Tom Iggulden has more from Canberra.

TOM IGGULDEN, REPORTER: With less than a fortnight to go until polling day, Kevin Rudd's taking his message to anyone who'll listen.

The Prime Minister's keeping it simple for the adults as well.

KEVIN RUDD, PRIME MINISTER: If we do not have world-class infrastructure, there is no future for the Australian economy. 

TOM IGGULDEN: Labor's dusted off plans for a bullet train down the East Coast. If returned, it'd legislate to reserve land for a high-speed rail corridor and commit $52 million for a study into how to build it. The final cost would more like $114 billion.

ANTHONY ALBANESE, DEPUTY LABOR LEADER: It would lead to the creation of jobs, some 10,000 jobs during the construction phase.

TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER: The Government has been talking about spending $100 billion in 30 or 40 years' time. I'd much rather spend money now to get better outcomes tomorrow.

KEVIN RUDD: If you were to build this entire 1,750 kilometre high-speed rail project from Brisbane to Melbourne by 2035, it would cost less than Mr Abbott's unaffordable, unfair paid parental leave scheme for the same period of time.

TOM IGGULDEN: The Opposition's paid parental leave scheme is mentioned in the same breath as just about everything else the Government has to say at this stage of the election campaign.

TONY ABBOTT: I am really pleased that he is trying to run a scare campaign against paid parental leave.

JOE HOCKEY, SHADOW TREASURER: A lot of the critics are men.

TOM IGGULDEN: And some are in the Coalition. One senior figure says he can understand the criticism.

MALCOLM TURNBULL, SHADOW COMMUNICATIONS SPOKESMAN: When people say it's too much or it's too generous, that is a reasonable objection. It's not an - it's always reasonable to say, "Hey, hang on, can't you do this in a better way with less money."

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Turnbull was quick to point out he supports the scheme.

MALCOLM TURNBULL: Is that really a bad thing, that we would say here in Australia, we have the most generous paid parental leave scheme in the world?

TOM IGGULDEN: But the Prime Minister seized on his comments.

KEVIN RUDD, PRIME MINISTR: This is a remarkable day in this entire election campaign. The liberal Party, as of today, two weeks before an election, is split right down the middle on Mr Abbott's core priority objective. It's as simple as that.

TOM IGGULDEN: A potentially bigger threat to the policy for an incoming Coalition government would be opposition to it from Labor and minor parties in the Senate. But Tony Abbott says Labor would have to respect his mandate if he won the election.

TONY ABBOTT: Do you really think that the Labor Party is going to say no to the women of Australia? I doubt it very much.

TOM IGGULDEN: The latest Newspoll gives Labor little hope leading into the final stretch of this election race. It's primary vote has risen by three points to 37 per cent and Mr Rudd has arrested his slide as preferred prime minister. But on the all-important two-party preferred measure, the Coalition maintains a 53 to 47 per cent advantage.

Tom Iggulden, Lateline.

Monday 12 August 2013

Great Sheridan - Presidential Tony Abbott sinks Kevin Rudd in debate

Presidential Tony Abbott sinks Kevin Rudd in debate
  • From:The Australian 
  • August 12, 2013 12:00AM 
  • 20 comments
  • TONY Abbott was the clear winner in last night's great debate.
    Leaders' debates are far less important in Australia than in US presidential elections. That's because we don't need to fall in love with our leaders - just respect them and ask them to get the job done.
    But when you demonise an opponent, as Labor has done with four years of relentless personal attacks on Abbott, a single good debate performance can bring your strategy undone.
    This is what happened in one of the great US presidential debates of modern times. In 1980, president Jimmy Carter, a nerd in anyone's terms, was up against Ronald Reagan, the California governor derided as a B-grade actor and a secret extremist.
    But Reagan was calm, measured, engaging and presidential - much like Abbott last night. Rudd is a complex character. There are layers and layers, countless contradictions. Abbott is more straightforward. He is easier in his own skin.
    This came across strongly last night. People tend to forget that Abbott has more frontbench experience than Rudd and Julia Gillard combined. Abbott may tend to speak in slogans for the nightly news, but last night he was fluent and straightforward. Rudd's sometimes flowery locutions can be a bit weird.
    Notably there was no foreign policy beyond boats. However, some of Rudd's statements in this area were bizarre.
    It is astonishing that Rudd should blame the Sri Lankan civil war for a flow of boatpeople. The Sri Lankan civil war ran for decades. It didn't start under Rudd. It ended on Rudd's watch, so it didn't cause the boats.
    Similarly, Rudd was just flat out dead wrong to say that 70 per cent of people who went to Nauru under the Pacific Solution came to Australia. As Abbott pointed out, it was 40 per cent. How could Rudd get this so wrong? It was a killer moment.
    This is why Abbott was also on strong ground in saying the PNG Solution is not what Rudd says it is. At least this time Rudd had the sense not to repeat his absurd and irresponsible claim that turning boats around would lead to armed conflict with Indonesia.
    One totally baffling statement from Rudd concerned kids at school supporting their parents.
    On substance, Abbott clearly did better. The policy wonk was not convincingly wonkish. The nerd was unreliable on the facts.
    Abbott looked completely prime ministerial. Debates count most when they run totally counter to one side's narrative.

    Tuesday 6 August 2013

    #6 Z Waks: ''please do not send me any more emails, or call me''

     
     
    Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:41 PM
    To: g87
    Subject: please do not send me any more emails, or call me
     

    #5 Z Waks

     
     
    From: g87
    Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:58 PM
    Subject: YOUR BRANDER DISASTER!!!
     

    ===========================
    The Council of Orthodox Synagogues Victoria
    presents
    Rabbi Kenneth Brander
    The David Mitzner Dean of
    Yeshiva University's Center
    for the Jewish Future

    Rabbi Brander was an extremely successful pulpit Rabbi who built a Congregation from 60 to 600 families
    in Boca Raton in 14 years. He is world renowned and engaged extensively throughout the USA and internationally lecturing Rabbis,
    communal leaders and communities in general in the field of Jewish renewal.  During his studies to obtain Smicha,
    he served as the student assistant to the esteemed Rabbi Joseph B Soloveitchik.

    Rabbi Brander has received numerous awards for his community service,
    none the least he was honoured with the State of Israel Medal of Honour
    for Rabbinic leadership in supporting Gush Etzion.

    Please click here for Rabbi Brander’s
    public speaking engagements this week.


     
     
    From: Emmanuel
    Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 6:38 PM
    Subject: [YCL] Press Release - Council of Orthodox Synagogues of Australia
     
    Council of Orthodox Synagogues of Australia

     Press Release:

    As one who is supportive of the mission and goals of Tzeddek, it was extremely disappointing that its founder, Mr. Manny Waks saw fit to criticise COSA for bringing Rabbi Brander to Australia . As an organisation dedicated to pursuing justice and rooting out abuse, one would expect it to uphold the highest standards of truth and integrity. Rather than allowing himself to accept uncritically spurious allegations and smears that were recently levelled at Rabbi Brander, had Mr. Waks conducted an honest inquiry into both the facts of the alleged accusations as well as Rabbi Brander’s strong track record in the area of social activism and child and family abuse cases in general, he would have discovered that not only were the allegations totally without foundation, but that Rabbi Brander has a reputation for being a pioneer and role model for how rabbi’s should conduct themselves in such cases.

    By his actions, Mr. Waks has sought to impugn the credibility of someone he should be lauding as an example for all Rabbis thereby damaging the cause of those seeking to eliminate both child sex abuse and the culture of covering up this crime.

    Romy Leibler
    President





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    #4 Z Waks

     
     
    From: g87
    Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:58 PM
    Subject: Continuum to Zephania and Manny W
     

     
     
     
    Hello Zephania,
    I have found these 2 items above  in my blog.
    If Manny cares to advise me if he thinks I have wronged him in any way in what I have herein and earlier links have written, no doubt I will hear from him.
    And possibly wronged yourself Zephaniah?
     
    It is my intention to advise you both that you are accountable for what you say and do in the media and elsewhere.
     
    Great wrongs have been done to Manny: This does not offset the strange, unfortunate things you have done.
    There is no QPQ here.
     
    I now advise the obvious that there is no excuse for any cover up of sexual abuse. Period! How about the South Australian Government cover up STILL RUNNING DAILY IN THE AUSTRALIAN? I find it amazing that they would do that!   http://socialistdystopia.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/abuse-of-children-cover-up-in-sa-labor.html
     
    This does not vitiate what others tried to do! Thank goodness WE DO NOT LIVE IN A TOTALITARIAN SOCIETY – AU CONTRAIRE.... a wonderful country is OZ!
     
     
     
     
    It now occurs to me that you Manny DARED say to Tom Elliott that the Yeshivah community / abuse is comparable with the Catholic Church!
    THIS IS S SICK EXAGGERATION BY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PERCENT!
     
    One of the Churches had 30% approx. convicted / confirmed paedophiles! OVER 20 years.  NOTE – I WILL FIND A LINK ONE DAY OF ABC 7 30 – WHICH CONFIRMED THAT ONE THIRD OF 69  PRIEST AT A CHURCH HAD ABUSED CHILDREN!! NOLO CONTENDERER!!! ZEPHANIA!! Why the sickening exaggertion?? Manny discredits himself – he is so keen to exaggerate that he cares not that someone will pick him up on it.
    That someone is Geoff Seidner!
    The below 2 links are random – throwing no illumination on this tangent! There are thousands of references.....
     

    Catholic Church reveals names of 29 priests it acknowledges ...ABC 

     
     
    But the absurd lamentable errors and exaggerations go on even NOW!
    See the current JCCV item – next email!
     
    There is a simple option – Yeshivah have plainly apologized – and so you should to them, to the JCCV, and the ECAJ that Manny was President of! See my UNPUBLISHED EMAIL!!!
     
     
    Regards
    Geoff Seidner
    PS
    SEE NEXT EMAIL RE RABBI BANDER AND JCCV!!!

    #3 Z Waks

     
     
    From: g87
    Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 11:56 AM
    Subject: #2
     

    #2 Z Waks

     
     
    From: g87
    Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 11:55 AM
    Subject: #1
     

    #1 My correspondences with Zephania Waks



    From: g87
    Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 11:54 AM
    To: waks770@gmail.com
    Subject: Ref The Shunned and more

    Zephaniah Waks

    Dear Zephania,

    Thanks for giving me your email address.
    I refer to our brief conversation a good  few minutes ago – I gave you a synopsis as requested.
    Further elucidation is hereunder.

    Kindly note that it should be possible for you to easily find my major complaint about Manny Waks and yourself in The Australian Magazine titled The Shunned.

    It was deemed by those who battled their way through the article that your reference to EFFECTIVELY appending the Nazi moniker was beyond contempt.
    It encouraged the writer to follow suit!

    I also now recall Manny’s conversation with radio host Tom Elliot – synopsis as below.
    Note brief synopsis,

    It occurs to me that this comment was devoid of any elements of reasonableness: Tom Elliott plainly had no idea what you were on about.
    AND – given that it would surely be contestable – and furthermore the idea that Rabbi Telsner allegedly holds these unique views in the Yeshivah community – it is similarly unfair [!!] to raise it on air in the hearing of hundreds of thousands of people!

    Note if you please: fair and reasonable / true or otherwise – Rabbi Telsner obviously had no opportunity to debunk it! Indeed I do not recall Rabbi Telsner EVER venturing to humiliate you and Manny and another of your progeny for VIOLENTLY assaulting him on Shavuot.

    I further understand that no charges have been made to the police – even if the vile, GOOD  _ YOM _ TOV _ BASED HAND SHAKE ELICITED THE BRUTAL ASSAULT!

    I will look through my blogs – methinks there must be other things therein that you and Manny may wish to comment on.
    Regards
    Geoff Seidner
    East St Kilda
    03 9525 9299

    Should you deign to respond – do so by email please.
    G



    RE 24/7/13 on 3aw 3 30 pm...
    Wachs—’’Rabbi Telsner only Rabbi trying to keep it secret’’
    with Tom Elliott
    !!!!!!
    GS

    LOOK AT MY LINKS!!!

    Rabbi Freilich - the denouement June 9
    Emails to - from Rabbi Freilich: June 2 - 6, 2013

    I verily say: The Shunned is a Nazi - derivated ob...
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    Monday 5 August 2013

    LINKS AND TIM UNPIUS FISCHER IN THE AGE

    From: g87
    Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 9:49 AM
    Subject: Research re outrageous Tim Fischer re unpius pope X

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  • I received an important  email link to a pathetic article in today’s The Age by Tim Fischer.

  • Ref the dubious virtues of the late unlamented pope pius X.

  • Various items are enclosed – from current google search [not all agreed with!] ...to my own works ex my blogs. Most relating to the Catholic Church – and other

  • semi – relevant items.

  • As far as Tim F is concerned – he has form: .....‘’he would say that, would he not?

  • GS

  • BROTHERS' CRAVEN CONSPIRACY!
  • Current Index of my catholic Catholic entries to 9...
  • Cheapened murder of Jewish children!!
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  • News for Former pope unfairly criticised by Jewish ...

     
    1. The Age ‎- 13 hours ago
      The New York Jewish lobby has unfairly blackened the name of World War II pope Pius XII in the interests of a modern political agenda and ...
    1. The Age‎ - 8 hours ago
    2.1
    GOOGLE:
    goldhagen catholic church pius
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    2.2
    SOME LINKS FROM ABOVE:
    OPINION
    Mary Eberstadt
    ESSAYS
    The 2012 Erasmus Lecture.
    Jean Bethke Elshtain
    The Gospel both created and destroyed Christendom.
    David Bentley Hart
    REVIEWS
    A review of Anti-Judaism.
    David P. Goldman
    A review of Coolidge.
    Ted V. McAllister
    A review of The Ethics of Interrogation.
    Michael B. Mukasey
    Various