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Andrew Bolt on Ramjan

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SEPTEMBER122012(6:56am)

 
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The only witnesses to the wall-punching incident of 35 years ago - if a non-event can have any -deny the bizarre claims against Tony Abbott now peddled so recklessly by muckracker David Marr.
In 1977, Abbott and I drove down from Sydney to Melbourne to attend an (Australian Union of Students) conference at Monash University… The stench of marijuana lay heavy in the air, and every communist and Trotskyist sub-group had assembled, it seemed, its entire national membership…
No doubt the silliest thing we did at the conference was to attend a Palestinian film night (and) heckled the film a bit.

Although we were out-numbered at least 10 to one, and new reinforcements from other hard-left groups soon turned up, the film was stopped and we were told we had to leave...One woman from the far Left came up behind Abbott, took off her wooden clog and whacked him hard over the back of the head.

I’ll never forget Abbott’s response. He turned round, paused and said: “Madame, if you were not a lady, I’d be tempted to strike you back.” Then we left.

This incident came back to my mind as I read the scabrous propaganda of David Marr in his Quarterly Essay, “Political Animal, the making of Tony Abbott”.

Marr claims that in 1977, when Abbott was defeated for the presidency of the Student Representative Council by Barbara Ramjan, he went up to her, came within an inch of her nose and punched both sides of the wall beside her as an act of intimidation.

Marr records Abbott’s denial of this but says he, Marr, believes the incident took place as described by Ramjan. Marr is wrong. And this mistake reflects his overall sloppiness as a journalist, failure as a historian and distorting bias as a polemicist.

Yesterday I spoke to Jeremy Jones, who was elected to the SRC on the same night Abbott lost that election to Ramjan.

Jones was a member of the Labor Party and led a Labor ticket in student elections… He knew every accusation that each side made against the other. He is certain he would have heard of any such alleged incident by Abbott and he is also certain he never heard any such allegation made. In other words, he is certain it didn’t happen…
Abbott was my best friend at that time. We talked over everything… I remember the night in question quite well. No such incident was ever discussed by Abbott or by anyone else in his circle. It is utterly inconceivable.

Marr could have found this out if he were a competent historian.

But Marr is instead what he accuses Abbott of being, an undergraduate pamphleteer desperately seeking to distort any bit of so-called evidence he can find to support a pre-existing narrative he has all mapped out.
But such are the shameful tactics of Labor that, aided by allies such as Marr, it stoops to using a highly dubious and unverified claim from 35 years ago to smear a moral man today:
In the partyroom, Wayne (Swan) told the troops Abbott’s carbon tax scare campaign had “hit a brick wall ... What is it about Abbott and brick walls?”
And in Parliament:
‘He wants to go the biff all the time!’’ Swan then said… ”He is a thug.” 
This, from the party which on Australia Day incited a mini race riot to make Abbott seem a race-baiter. You know, Abbott, the guy who spends some of his holidays each year helping to rebuild Aboriginal communities.
Has Labor no shame?
UPDATE
Who were the real thugs and bullies back in Tony Abbott’s student days? From Abbott on March 27, 1979: A Day in The Life of the SRC President: 
I arrive at the SRC to be immediately confronted by a garbage can on its side and papers scattered all along the SRC corridor. However, this does not seem as dirty as one might think, as the walls themselves have been covered in obscenities.A clean floor would seem almost incongruous. I notice that the front office wall has been decorated with homosexual posters by one of the front office staff who stares sullenly and uncooperatively, especially when I take them down and ask him not to replace them with others of a partisan politico, socio, sexual bent.He complains to the Hon. Sec./Treasurer, the Honi editors and anyone else who will listen. I walk down the corridor to my ‘office’.It is finally time, I decide, to remove the condom which has been pinned on my door. It rather clashes with the lesbian posters that have been plastered there.A notice I had placed on the door reads “Tony (confidentially) you are a f***wit”.It has now been slashed for good measure.
(Thanks to readers marg, Michelle and Jeff.) 
UPDATE
Jeremy Jones, who was elected to represent male students from the faculty of arts on the Sydney University SRC at the time Ms Ramjan was elected president of the SRC, told The Australian he was convinced the incident didn’t happen. “We were extremely sensitive to these sort of issues. If something like this had happened it would have been widely discussed,” he said.

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Nothing new about David Marr in here ...
Grunter of Adelaide (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:15am)
Ouch, I hope that Marr reads this.
But, then again he is pretty thick so I doubt he will understand what it shows about him, and brush it aside with his snide arrogance.
dave of Altona (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:17am)
Outraged replied to dave
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:53am)
It appears Marr has zero documentation to back this rubbish. On the other hand, there appears to be an ever increasing amount concerning the AWU and the association of this with We Know Who! Swan needs to back off on this “wrong horse”.
Just let yourself imagine what happens to a hand if it is punched into a wall. It will hurt like hell and you can very easily break the bones in your hands. A boxer in training wouldn’t even consider risking injury to a fist that is generally well padded in a correct tight fitting glove.
This wall punching rubbish only happens in movies and possibly in these minds intending to cause mischief.
Michael C (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:18am)
PeterM replied to Michael C
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:10am)
Michael, you know that & I know that as does anyone who has ever had anything to do with boxing. The only thing Marr and his ilk know about boxing is putting people into their preconceived boxes to prevent objective thought and evaluation.
44Vintage replied to Michael C
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:00pm)
Or AFL (Hawthorn) coaches.
viviencja replied to Michael C
Wed 12 Sep 12 (02:19pm)
Exactly. The labor strategists probably thought that they wouldn’t get away with claiming that Abbott actually punched a woman in the head! (lack of hospital records etc.) but punching a wall, well, seems innocuous enough BUT! hey! won’t this show what a violent woman hater he is ? I can just picture them all high-fiveing each other for a brilliant idea! (not). Are they the same dills who crafted the Australia Day riot that turned into a Labor fiasco? -saved only by the union heavies in Canberra and the much leant-on Federal police.
It’s pure desperation. The left know that the ALP are going to lose the election, they can see the Greens are slipping in support as people wake up to them. As such they are reduced to the most primitive attack the man strategies.
As many pointed out before, it didn’t work against Campell Newman and it won’t work now.
Marr should be ashamed of himself.
MattR of Melbourne (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:24am)
All good except for two things: Except for the literal wall punch, Abbott has acted in exactly the same way over Julia’s win over him.
And the second thing is that we know he was a puncher. Well, Hockey knows that he was a puncher back in those days.
So he has form.
As for the attack on Marr - why go the messenger? Should we go you for your treatment of Gillard over AWU. You have no evidence, nor does the press, nothing to throw at her. She has made herself available to answer each and every questions, despite the issue having been sifted through for 15 years or so.
Let Abbott face media questions for an hour over this.
Big Ted (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:24am)
SimonTigey replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (10:56am)
Hey BT, Gillard and the entire left of politics attacked the messenger over the yet unresolved AWU scandal. Gillard still has not answered any of the important questions, yet she wants Abbott to make a statement in parliament about a heresay unsubsustantiated claim. Something she is too guless to do herself.
Wake up to yourself BT, you are such a hypocite!!!!
Sophy replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (10:58am)
Wow, Big Ted. You should take that on the road.
JimmyS replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (10:59am)
Don’t lie BT, it is pathetic.
She refuses to answer questions put to her in writing. Nothing to hide huh? In your left dreams…
Why are the left continually caught out lying all the time if you are so (self-proclaimed) morally elite?
CraigR replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:01am)
Never deviate from the Labor narrative, I’ll have nothing to smile at. 
“Except for the literal wall punch” now literally prove it ?
mike of the shire replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:06am)
The more you say the more you prove yourself a dill.
MattR replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:06am)
So there is absolutely no evidence that Abbott did anything wrong, but we should worry about him being angry because, well, we just should! Desperation really is a bad smell, you know that right?
Gillard had a clear connection with the AWU scandal, she may not have been guilty of anything but at the time she was connected with someone who was. There is clear and undeniable evidence of this. This attack on Abbott is pure smear and nothing but fabricated nonsense based on the word of someone who didn’t even mention it 35 years ago.
This issue exposes the childishness of the left (as if we didn’t already know how childish you were). Basically, Gillard has had all these accusations against her, so Marr has gone out and said “yeah well, look what I got on Abbott!” He made the accusations without doing any research at all and has shown himself to be nothing but an ALP barracker.
This whole episode really is pathetic.
Homer F replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:22am)
No evidence against Gillard? Under which bridge do you currently reside? I’ve got a new one for sale, slightly used, all the modcons. But I guess even a truckload of evidence dumped in your backyard won’t convince you. Big Oaf!
carbon worker replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:23am)
Guests should be quiet whilst the hosts speak. Or leave.
Seneca replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:38am)
No, nothing to throw at Gillard except an appalling lack of professional ethics, distortion, and lack of judgement.
Abbott, Sheridan, and Jones all claim that this event never happened. Is this clear to you? With Gillard there WAS an event to raise; with Abbott, he and others say there was no incident. See the difference??
Marr needs to check his stories, that’s why he is pilloried. He lacks any credibility when it comes to political stories because of his lack of dilligence in checking the facts. At least Pickering got some things right. Got it??
Roman replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:40am)
You soak up Left propaganda like a sponge.  An indicator of a person who has little ability to think for himself. The African continent was the clear winner when you left its shores.  Unfortunately, we are worse off.  Any chance you might move on to New Zealand....?
Timdot replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:40am)
You must have run out of straws by now, BT…
Terry replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:42am)
Face the media over what?  It never happened. Indeed, it was Abbott who was assualted by some left wing woman wielding a wooden clog, whom Abbott declined to floor.
Like this disgusting government, you are clutching at straws.
More important to find out how implicated (if at all) Madam Trash was in setting up a union slush fund to receive extorted money. There’s a subtle difference between fiction and corruption, but you are a leftie so you wouldn’t quite get it.
John replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:48am)
Big Ted, sadly you have only a little mind to think with...only capable of holding one thought..."Mr Abbott is bad”.
You are clearly (and sadly) one of the approximately 30% who will always vote Labor regardless of what the say or do or more accurately don’t do.
PM Gillard ambushed the media on the AWU issue as the journalists who knew the details of the allegations were not at the “briefing”...remembering of course the press conference asw initially called about asylum seeker policy as Immigration Minister Bowen was there...also she has never made a statement to parliament where she is bound to tell the whole truth...there are severe penalties for misleading parliament.
Also if you were to read the account of the Abbott-Hockey dustup on the rugby pitch, you should have noticed Mr Hockey himself acknowledged he charged at Mr Abbott first...quid pro quo.
Mick In The Hills replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:02pm)
BT, why don’t you visit Michael Smith News site and post your rebuttals of Gillard’s deceptions over there.
Be warned though, Smith is presenting authentic documents about the Slater Gordon / Wilson / Gillard / AWU potboiler.
You might find yourself looking even sillier than you do here if start denying official documents.
watty replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:03pm)
A puncher does not hit brick walls Teddie.
Bolt wasn’t the only one to run the AWU/Gillard story but you pick on him.
“Made herself available to the media” is pure HYPERBOWL Teddie.
She took friendly fire from the likes of Bongiorno for less than 20 minutes.
Jac replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:17pm)
Ted, I disagree. Julia’s involvement in the AWU story is still being investigated and the whole situation involved a police investigation at the time.
Whereas Marr’s tale seems to have appeared out of nowhere, with no previous mention or witnesses.
Hardly worthy of comparison.
pennyoz replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:23pm)
Why do you bother coming here?  I don’t spread my joy over at the ABC because I know I’d be casting spit into the wind.
No amount of denial will you ever accept.  So why bother?
No amount of reasoning will you accept.  So why bother?
No amount of anything will ever make you or me change my mind or yours.  So why bother?
Abbott doesn’t need an hour.  He’d be done in less than five minutes.  Julia needed an hour and that still didn’t answer ANYTHING:exclaim:
Josh replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:33pm)
There is no evidence?
Only in Big Ted land....
Joni replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:42pm)
Well big Ted it would be a pretty boring hour, question regarding alledged punch in the wall, answer it did not happen. What else is there to say
boodybull replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:46pm)
so you think abbott is guilty of wall punching despite the lack of evidence and the failure to mention it for 35 years? so punching hockey (if he did)means he is guilty of all other allegations? your hypocrisy is ludicrus.
gillard is innocent because there is no evidence? the thousands of pages of documention may not show her guilt but its certainly looking that way. she admitted involvement in setting up a ‘slush’ fund to slater and gordon or is that crap too little edward? her involvement in union corruption is well documented whether she is guilty of being a part or not.
abbott however has a ‘she said’ without any witnesses but is guilty? troll.
Mean Dean replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:53pm)
I’m convinced you would have been happy in Stalin’s Russia, back in the day.
J.H. replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (01:00pm)
Stop being childish BT.
Abbott has nothing to answer to here… To be quite honest, a delving into the year 1977 would probably show more illegal activities re drug offences on the Labor side of politics than you could point a stick at..... and if you had read and comprehended what was written above, you would have noticed that two people who knew him well said it didn’t happen, nor would Abbott have acted in such a manner.
As for evidence of Gillard’s malfeasance. There are some quite damning documents with her handwriting on them and the setting up improperly of an association that was later used to defraud the Union and workplaces.... In her own words she knew it wasn’t a Work Safety association but rather a “slush fund”. From her own mouth, in her own words.
Be an adult BT and hold your political representatives to task when confronted with such evidence.... If Tony Abbott had done what Julia Gillard has done, nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for him or support him.
... But he is clean. He is a family man. A conscientious man, a volunteer firefighter, lifeguard and spends time in remote communities helping to promote better living standards.
Abbott is one of those few genuine people in politics BT.... recognize it and embrace it mate.
Lol Andrew Bolt
You just proved why news ltd and the main stream media will lose abbott the election
and this will not do Abbott any good
David H (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:26am)
boodybull replied to David H
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:55pm)
david, the carbon tax alone will win abbott the election. how do i know? i voted ALP my whole life. i’m not voting for them until every single one of those mp’s currently in the party are gone. why? ‘there will be no carbon tax under any governement i lead...’. the australian people were sold out to the greens so the ALP could govern. more voted for the coalition than the ALP. disgraceful. the greens nor labour had no mandate to do such thing over the scam that is CAGW.
Couldn't Agree More replied to David H
Wed 12 Sep 12 (01:47pm)
Even now the Mythbusters team are onto it David.
So far Jamie’s got a broken hand and Adam’s nursing severely skinned knockles from punching a test wall. The rest of the team have estimated that an average fist travelling from rest to an object approximately 23 centimetres away (the wall; Abbott’s nose to sheila’s nose 3 centimetres + sheila’s head depth 20 centimetres) would reach a speed of....
Anyhow the myth...and the hands are.....busted!
I have no witnesses to any of this but I swear it’s true, and it will have a devastating effect on Saturday’s NRL semi-final. Collingwood haven’t got a hope due to these revelations; this can’t do Sam Stosu’s career any good whatsoever. Cheers.
But such are the shameful tactics of Labor that, with allies such as Marr, it stoops to using a highly dubious and unverified claim from 35 years ago to smear a moral man today:
Gillard isn’t moral? You smeared her with old muck - not new muck - as much as you can, and you wilt when your guy is attacked.
In the partyroom, Wayne (Swan) told the troops Abbott’s carbon tax scare campaign had “hit a brick wall ... What is it about Abbott and brick walls?”
Ha ha ha. I like it. Good punchline!
Big Ted (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:27am)
Laurie replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:38am)
Two replies in three minutes to the same article, well done big Ted really helps your credibility.
There is a big difference to the Gillard case, if you can’t see it then its not worth my time trying to explain.
philip replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:58am)
bt please keep up gillard still has questions to answer in regards to the awu scandal she was and is still an accesory to the fact that her boyfriend at the time asked her to setup the slush fund which apparently naivly she did (I dont buy it) whereas abbott allegedly punched a wall? now heres a question for you which one in all honestly should preclude someone from ever being in charge of a government? is it the fraud or is it the allegation of punching a wall?
pennyoz replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:24pm)
What is it about Big Ted and brick walls?
I can tell you.  Brick veneer isn’t as thick as Big Ted.
Rob the Redneck from Redlands replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:52pm)
There a tad difference here Ted ol’ son.
Based on the evidence available,there is enough evidence to charge Julia Gillard for concealing a serious indictable offence which carries a jail term of 2 years under section 316 of the Crimes Act 1900 (Vict).
What Abbott is alleged to have done, and there were no witnesses, pales into insignificance. Its a non-event based on anecdotal evidence.
Also, how many union “organisers” have used the threat of violence to enforce union membership. And don’t forget, union membership subs. go partly toward funding the ALP.
viviencja replied to Big Ted
Wed 12 Sep 12 (02:26pm)
I wish that everybody who blogs here would stop wasting their time replying to you. How much does GetUp pay you anyway? couldn’t they find some smarter, more literate people with nothing to do...Oh!  well...hmm. that’s unfortunate.
Hopefully intelligent people will start to understand what socialism means. Their central doctrine is (to quote Richo) ‘what ever it takes’ - a modern interprtation of the totalitarian doctrine - ‘The end justifies the means’. These people hold no moral principle at all, so allow themselves access to any tactic or deception to get what they want. Is this the sort of country that we want?
Terry of Thomastown (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:29am)
Thank you Greg Sheridan.  Nice to see someone coming forward and telling the truth about Tony Abbott and this non event for a change.
Wayne Swan so pathetic and how long did it take him to write down and memorise that little gem.  Not the great wit of Australian politics only the half wit.
EndGame (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:30am)
Old Granny replied to EndGame
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:36am)
I am sure that there are many of us out here who could tell tales of the Uni days of people who are now very prominent in political affairs - and not on the side we would have predicted - and with the benefit of hindsight give them (and sometimes their parents) a free character reading. That the vast majority of us never make it public says more for human nature than does Mr Marr.
bennyg replied to EndGame
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:08pm)
Greg Sheridan, “Abbott was my best friend at that time. We talked over everything”
Yep, totally neutral observer, that settles things totally.
Nothing to see here. It’s only if it’s Gillard that we would continue the assault.
And Tony’s such a nice man. Apart from the insults, lies and general ugly behavior.
Hypocrites!
EndGame replied to EndGame
Wed 12 Sep 12 (02:07pm)
Gillard brings it on herself.
This whole Abbott beatup reeks of labor desperation.  These union ferals remind me of those clowns in the Judihan Peoples Front out of the Life of Brian.  Or was it the Peoples Front of Judiah?  They just make it all up as they go.
tony of lawson (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:31am)

Revealed for what it is B***S***.
I was at Sydney Uni around the same time and Sheridan is spot on. Men haters, communists, haters of Christianity would be a good summary of those that sought control of the SRC.
As for Honi Soit, what a rag, paid for by compulsory union fees which financed the left. Not much has changed.
the lone gunmen (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:32am)
dianeh replied to the lone gunmen
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:24pm)
At one point I was on the receiving end of some grievance of the far left feminista group that ran our student union.  One thing this showed me was that if such an incident had occurred, they would have at the very least filed a complaint with the uni.  Most likely they would have broadcast it far and wide, and everyone at the uni would have heard about it.
Abbott never punched the wall, and he never intimidated her.  Had he done it, it would have been common knowledge all through the uni.  The feministas would not forego such an opportunity to show up the wicked white conservative male.
pennyoz replied to the lone gunmen
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:26pm)
And the fees they charged were like car registration…
compulsory and over the top!
viviencja replied to the lone gunmen
Wed 12 Sep 12 (02:31pm)
maybe the new govt. will chuck out the compulsory “union fees” under another name which Gillard/Rudd gave us back after Howard got rid of them.?
Reco replied to the lone gunmen
Wed 12 Sep 12 (03:41pm)
The Lone Gunman
“Men haters, communists, haters of Christianity would be a good summary of those that sought control of the SRC.”
Judging by your support of Franco and his allies Hitler and Mussolini(Spanish civil war) i think you would have been quite unpopular among most students.
Fascism was discredited more than 60 years ago. Get over it!
Lets see if the ABC will do the right thing now and schedule interviews with Greg Sheridan.
What’s the bet they won’t?
So much for balanced coverage, by the taxpayers funded media outlet.
This illustrates gaping holes in Mr Marr’s so called research, and he should now apologise for publishing unfounded claims, and maybe his employer should reprimand him.
Bob of The West (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:34am)
Someone makes an allegation against Abbott, with no actual evidence and the Right come to his defence in droves.
Someones makes a sexual allegation against Slipper, with no actual evidence and the Right demand his head.
Mr Jordon (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:34am)
Streetcred replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:04am)
Jordan said, “yadda yadda yadda ... “
Audience .... “ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ”
MattR replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:08am)
Really? Last I saw people were saying that Slipper was innocent until proven guilty and most of the issue with him was due to clear character flaws (massive expense claims).
At any rate, this is just another unicorn argument and shows you have nothing to add to the argument.
CraigR replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:10am)
Ones a smear, clearly to degrade Abbott’s character and the others potentially a criminal offense and whilst under investigation standing down from a high profile roll would be the right thing to do.
One is fairly current and effects the whole of the Australian parliament the other is decades old based on hearsay.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
Justa comment replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:57am)
Clarificationn please.  Where has the Coalition demanded Peter Slipper’s head on the your claimed allegation. I have not read anything.  A link that quotes any Coalition spokesperson supporting your claims on this matter would be helpful.
Leo G replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:57am)
Mr Jordon, The Treasurer has repeated allegations against Abbott, with no evidence supporting the claims of Nicola Roxon adviser Ramjan, but the allegations of a offence by Slipper involves evidence that is being heard in a civil court.
The Right don’t all want Slipper found guilty of a civil offence related to “a sexual allegation”. Nor do they all “demand his head"- many even believe that he performed well as Speaker- but most believe that his appointment involved an abuse of office.
John replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (11:58am)
There is actually some documentary evidence to investigate re Mr Slipper which is what the Federal Police are doing.
Documentary Evidence definition:  Original records such as checks, journal entries, invoices, memos, receipts, and vouchers that support and/or serve as proof of a business transaction.
Re Mr Abbott there is not even any eye witness confirmation of the incident...Ms Ramjan said yesterday that there were others present...let her former supporters verify what she now states are fact...she should be able to muster at least one person to confirm what she said...to date she has not found anyone willing to affirm her allegation.
pennyoz replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:29pm)
Slipper was from what you label as the right. Honestly you should see yourself!  If you could, you’d see just how ridiculous you really are.
I suspect your are either young and juvenile or else you are old and you never grew up!
George replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:46pm)
there are text messages of Slipper and the case is before the courts
Mr. Jordon replied to Mr Jordon
Wed 12 Sep 12 (01:12pm)
MattR
Without actual evidence both claims are bogus.
What is your problem my argument?
Streetcred
You contradict you own argument by responding.  wink
An attack on the man Abbott is an attack on his beautiful wife and daughters as well, as they are one.  Labor will end up with only a sorry few MP’s come next election if they go down the smearing path.  After reading that - ABBOTT THE GENTLEMAN.
suse (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:35am)
Bob replied to suse
Wed 12 Sep 12 (01:36pm)
I wonder what Labor will be driving to party meetings following the next election? A Tarago or Captiva or maybe an Aussie Ford Territory.
Cybrarian Pete replied to suse
Wed 12 Sep 12 (02:12pm)
@ suse “An attack on the man Abbott is an attack on his beautiful wife and daughters as well....”
What utter garbage.  Are you suggesting that Abbott’s wife and daughters do not have individual lives beyond that of their husband/father?
Tony N replied to suse
Wed 12 Sep 12 (02:14pm)
“An attack on the man Abbott is an attack on his beautiful wife and daughters as well, as they are one.”
suse, if you are going to use that criteria, then that would apply to just about everyone in Parliament.
This raises an important point about the intolerance and aggressiveness of the far left, especially in a University environment. I remember my days at La Trobe University and the Australian flag burning ratbags there.
It’s not hard to imagine whatever story is true about Tony Abbott, you can be garanteed in a university environment, ANYONE of conservative persuasion is certainly on the outer and treated with a great deal of hostility. It’s not hard to imagine one being provoked to a point where they strike back.
I recall in 1993 at La Trobe. I was sitting in the Agora sqaure (the main gathering place for students to eat lunch) I was having lunch on a step and I accidentally knocked over my empty bottle of mineral water that was at my feet (it didn’t break mind you). Straight away, some self righteous hippie dressed like a scarecrow with a tea cosy on his head sitting opposite calls out to me ‘oh, what a wanker’. I walked up to him, flicked off his hat and reminded him, that it was an accident, not to jump to conclusions or call me that again.
I guess someone like Marr would say I was the bad guy..when infact I was minding my own business, had a little accident and was provoked by some self righteous prat.
John from Bundoora (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:36am)
pennyoz replied to John from Bundoora
Wed 12 Sep 12 (12:33pm)
I bet the same man today is a respectable fat dentist with a wife, six kids and a mortgage and wailing about Wayne Swan wasting his hard earned taxes.
Life is a little like that.
kadedjingera replied to John from Bundoora
Wed 12 Sep 12 (03:11pm)
Apart from the age discrepancy it is more likely that that man is Wayne Swan! LOL
In answer to your last question, it appears not. cool mad
PCconfused2222 of penshurst (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:37am)
Kmow of 2 blokes who have punched walls...both busted their hands…
It would be even worse for a boxer who could throw punch.
ask a casualtty doctor.
I call this an ALP whopper!
Poa (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:37am)
Good thing this alleged incident didn’t happen in China otherwise the great wall of CHINA would have fallen by the punch of that professional BOXER ,TAbbott. ( a sort of Boxer Rebellion !!! )
This would have set back out relationship with China for years ( 35 ?), and would understandably not be reported by the likes of D Marr or his leftist cohorts.
I wonder if D Marr has ever been to China or does he get his information from Travel brochures or second hand.
Stan of NSW (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:37am)
“Has Labor no shame?”
None whatsoever.
But then, that’s the Left in general.
Ammoral and pathologically misanthropic (in lurrrrrve with humanity, but just dang hate the nasty humans).
Hawkeye P. (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:38am)
Reco replied to Hawkeye P.
Wed 12 Sep 12 (03:24pm)
Thompson, Lindsay scandal, AWU/Gillard, Slipper, Ute gate etc.
Your party has no shame when it comes to smear campaigns.
Hypocrisy is truly sickening.
No, Andrew, labor has no shame.
But the good news is that after the next Federal election it will also have no seats.
Terry of LaborfreeNSW (Reply)
Wed 12 Sep 12 (08:40am)

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