Rachel Cole
Standards Australia
Dear Rachel
Thank you for response of March 12, 2013 as
below.
Sadly you therein refuse to answer my question by trying to
defend the government of that day.
As you will be aware it is safe for Standards Australia to
answer my questions appropriately: there has been a change in government – and
the opposition are in so much trouble re multiple Unions – based fraud that this
matter will barely humiliate them.
Much.
Kindly note that all Labor correspondences show the feel –
good ‘Standard’ – that was / is plainly a fraud.
- All I ask is that you plainly admit that in so claiming to use ‘’Greenhouse Friendly’’ paper – they created a fraud because the Standard was claimed in all their correspondences.
- And even if only in some of their correspondences.
- And there is no safety for you with your ‘’commercial contract’’ moniker: Please do not battle heroically with me: you will lose, irrespective of the following. PLEASE READ THIS #3 CAREFULLY.
- And here is the following: you people have created a ‘’STANDARD’’ that cannot be any more than a propaganda tool of the progenitors who pushed you to create the fraud in the first place. See all my earlier correspondences which I will try to paste on my ‘cognate’ blog.
- Examining all my research – the whole thing is indeed a fraud.
- You people had politicised yourselves by beeing a party to the fraud.
- And – worse – you have treated me like a fool!
I will eventually send you information – but it is clear that
you now understand it is time to come clean by admitting that you have erred in
allowing a disreputable government to abuse your name.
It is not my intention to didactically, formally itemise the
above: YOU MUST ALREADY have known what you were doing!!
you will be horrified that merely the below links will
trouble you.
I stress again – please appreciate that this matter is not
going away.
You should get your management to respond in a way that
redeems some merit for Standards Australia.
Please admit that it merely seemed to be a good idea at the
time...
Yours Sincerely
Geoff Seidner
LINKS:
▼ February (28)
- http://www.iso-14001.org.uk/contact.htm
- http://www.iso-14001.org.uk/index.htm
- http://www.bindarri.com.au/envi-carbon-neutral-pap...
Dear Geoff
As mentioned in our email below Australian Standards are
voluntary unless called up in legislation or cited in a commercial contract. To
include an Australian Standard in legislation is a decision that is made by
State or Commonwealth Regulatory Bodies.
We are not
quite sure what other
questions you are asking and are therefore unable to respond to your email
further.
Regards
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Dear Rachel
Thank you for prompt response.
Who initiated this ISO / ENVI / Greenhouse – friendly paper?
What claims does this standard purport to uphold?
Given that Australian Paper in their blurb about carbon – neutral paper
/GREENHOUSE FRIENDLY / / ENVI RANGE / SUSTAINABLE VALUE / TRIPLE BOTTOM LINES –
eventually admits that all they do is offset carbon emissions. PROBABLY
BY GROWING TREES IN THEIR GARDENS – or plugging up the rear ends of cows – or
using condys crystal in the clouds.... THIS IS ALLEGEDLY GUARANTEED through the
range of contrivances created by the government – all demonstrably
fraudulent.
THEN THIS ENTIRE STANDARD IS A FRAUD BECAUSE IT MERELY ATTESTS / PURPORTS
TO GUARANTEE THAT CALLED CARBON EMISSIONS ARE BEING OFFSET.
AND THIS ACT OF ATTESTING TO SAME – WHATEVER THE MERITS OF THIS RUSE – IS
DEFACTO THE STANDARD.
UNDERSTAND THAT STANDARDS AUSTRALIA CANNOT PURPORT TO CREATE A
STANDARD THAT DOES NOT EXIST INTRINSIC TO THE PAPER – OR RELATING TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN DIFFERENT REALMS
BY THIRD AND FOURTH GEN. PARTIES. Which of course has no corollary to the
paper.
THIS IS NO STANDARD – IT IS A CIRCUITOUS ADMINISTRATIVE
GAME.
THEREFORE STANDARDS AUSTRALIA COULD NOT IN GOOD FAITH – SHOULD NOT EVEN IN
BAD FAITH _ GET INVOLVED IN A PATHETIC PAPER – SHUFFLE OF NO PURPOSE –
PURPORTING TO HAVE NO LOGISTICAL RATIONAL STANDARD!!!!
Would you care to not fob me off – by pretending to not understand well –
written text?
Regards
Geoff Seidner
From: Standards Australia
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: FW: ISO /14001 standard [#23763B]
Dear
Geoff
As
mentioned in our email below Australian Standards are voluntary unless called up
in legislation or cited in a commercial contract. To include an Australian
Standard in legislation is a decision that is made by State or Commonwealth
Regulatory Bodies.
We are not quite sure
what other questions you are asking and are therefore
unable to respond to your email further.
Regards
Rachel Cole
SIS Coordinator | Standards Australia
Level 10, 20 Bridge Street Sydney NSW 2000
GPO Box 476 Sydney NSW 2001
P +61 2 9237 6171 | F +61 2 9237 6020 | www.standards.org.au
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-----Original
Message-----
From: "g87" <g87@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 5:50 PM
To: "Standards Australia" <mail@standards.org.au>
Subject: Re: ISO /14001 standard [#232F4N]
From: "g87" <g87@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 5:50 PM
To: "Standards Australia" <mail@standards.org.au>
Subject: Re: ISO /14001 standard [#232F4N]
Rachel
Cole
SIS
Coordinator | Standards Australia
Level
10, 20 Bridge Street Sydney NSW 2000
GPO
Box 476 Sydney NSW 2001
P +61
2 9237 6171 | F +61 2 9237 6020
Dear
Rachel
I
write you re your email of today’s date in response to my email of 25 February.
This email contained an enquiry also sent to your UK
office
on the same say.
Please
note the following.
I
have seen the text below ***** appended on stationery. The basic understanding
of your email leads me to contemplate – with due
consideration
to the text extracted from @@@@@@ below that the ****** is meaningless as a
standard per se.
Furthermore
– it troubles me that the ISO moniker appended by paper people - and POLITICAL
ENTITIES – is indeed meaningless
whether
the use of ***** or @@@@@@ is involved,
Of
some concern to me is the fact that as neither has any meaning – I could free of
charge use ****** or @@@@@ freely without
breaking
any law / legislation / standard.
Indeed
– I also note that your standards are merely voluntary.
Surely
– there ARE some standards that by the very mention of the esteemed ISO – and /
or the seeming defacto
derivatives that ARE
indeed
obligatory? Otherwise what would be the point of your very
existence?
NEXT
TIME I SEE STANDARDS ALLUDED TO ON AIRCRAFT OR LIFTS ON TOWERS / HIGH RISE
BUILDINGS – I WILL SURELY BELIEVE THAT
THERE
ARE SOME STANDARDS
THAT ARE OBLIGATORY!!??
PARACHUTES???
OR AM
I TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS ONLY IN THE REALM OF GLOBAL WARMING – FEEL - GOOD
INDUSTRIES THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE
ALLOWED
TO PRINT WARM INNER
GLOW MONIKERS WITHOUT MEANING?
Last
– you imply that this has NOT been cited in legislation – and even if it was –
it is arguably meaningless.
There
are many questions herein – and you are requested to respond.
meaningfully.
By
the way – what is ENVI – surelt not envy?
Regards
Geoff
Seidner
*****‘’GREENHOUSE FRIENDLY ENVI CARBON NEUTRAL
PAPER – certified Greenhouse Friendly’’
ISO
14001 (and related ISO)
ISO
14001 is a standard for environmental management system certification, it is
designed to guide adopting organisations in the processes of environmental
protection and prevention of
pollution,
however does not necessarily lead to ongoing improved environmental performance.
[link] This
standard does not imply that products or industrial processes are not impacting
the environment.
Image
4: Stump of Brown Mountain old growth tree logged in November 2008, radiocarbon
dated at over 500 years old [source]
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From: Standards
Australia
Sent:
Thursday, March 07, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: RE:
ISO /14001 standard [#232F4N]
Dear Mr
Seidner
Thank
you for your enquiry.
We ask
you to note that Australian Standards are voluntary unless called up in
legislation or cited in a commercial contract.
Standards
Australia does not offer certification or conformity services. If you have a
query regarding certification please contact JAS-ANZ. Alternatively you may
wish to refer your query to an independent expert in the
field.
Regards
SIS
Coordinator | Standards Australia
Level
10, 20 Bridge Street Sydney NSW 2000
GPO
Box 476 Sydney NSW 2001
P +61
2 9237 6171 | F +61 2 9237 6020 | www.standards.org.au
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-----Original Message-----
From: "g87" <g87@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013 11:11 AM
To: "mail@standards.org.au" <mail@standards.org.au>
Subject: Fw: ISO /14001 standard
ISO
AUSTRALIA
Please reply
soon,
GS
http://wwwbindarri.com.au/envi-carbon-neutral-paper/
http://www.iso-14001.org.uk/index.htm
nfo@iso-14001.org.uk;
Dear Sir /
Madame
I am interested in ISO
s\Standard 14001 and wish to track down exactly what these are / may
be.
I notice from below
that these standards not only do not lead to any ‘’...environmental protection and
prevention of pollution, however does not necessarily lead
to ongoing improved environmental performance.’’
So I plainly request that you advise exactly
what these standards may be – if your own information site vitiates it’s raison
d’etre as above link/s.
I wish to market environmentally
sustainable paper – but am need to understand what if any measurable standards
apply to a product I wish to sell under the moniker”:
‘’GREENHOUSE FRIENDLY ENVI CARBON NEUTRAL
PAPER – certified Greenhouse Friendly’’
I have seen various
politicians have a logo incorporating these words – and wish to be able to sell
them and other Carbon
– conscious organizations competitive and honestly – labelled
merchandise that befits an environment standards.
I understand ISO is an
international standard that was in the past recognized as indeed espousing
standards that are honestly arrived at.
I also expect that
those who use the ISO label do so honestly. AND THAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE
ENFORCED!
I fail to see any
evidence that this standard – above vitiated – actually exists in other than as
meaningless jargon. THE FACT OF NON – EXTANT STANDARDS RELATING TO SAME IMPLIES
AS MUCH!
I STRESS – I WISH TO
COMPLY BY STANDARDS THAT ENABLE ME TO CALL MY PRODUCT AS ABOVE – OR A DERIVATIVE
RE / OF GREENHOUSE FRIENDLINESS et al.
If I have misses
something – kindly inform me why the once great standards you stood for are
vitiated by your own selves.
Again – if my
interpretation is erroneous – kindly advise how that this is
so.
AGAIN – I only /
merely wish to know how you stand by your own
standards,
Geoff
Seidner
East St
Kilda
Melbourne
Australia
613 9 525
9299
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ISO
14001 (and related ISO)
ISO
14001 is a standard for environmental management system certification, it is
designed to guide adopting organisations in the processes of environmental
protection and prevention of pollution,
however does not necessarily lead to ongoing improved environmental performance.
[link] This standard does
not imply that products or industrial processes are not impacting the
environment.
Images
1-3: salvaged logged Victorian native forests [source]
Image
4: Stump of Brown Mountain old growth tree logged in November 2008, radiocarbon
dated at over 500 years old [source]
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