Posted: 2/21/2005 10:34:05 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT You tell me. This story sounds like  www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12321175%255E401,00.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE WORLD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This story is from our news.com.au network Source: The Australian Iraq's sharpshooting rebel legend By Hala Jaber in Baghdad 21feb05 WITH elbows bandaged and knees padded for comfort, Abu Othman lay face down on a Ramadi rooftop and cradled his Russian-made sniper rifle as he waited for the tall American soldier to appear. The soldier's habit of urinating into the street from the top of his Bradley armoured vehicle had angered Sunni Muslim inhabitants of the tree-lined suburb he patrolled. It was not the urinating as such that offended them; it was the way he exposed himself regardless of whether any women were around. Ramadi's insurgents twice tried to take out the Bradley, first with a rocket-propelled grenade and then with a Russian C5K missile. They missed both times - and that was when they sent for Abu Othman. It was a long, hot wait that summer's day on the rooftop and Abu Othman, 30, was glad of his headphones. He played his favourite verses from the Koran and their soothing flow cleared his mind, infusing him with a determination to see through the assignment, come what may. He prayed for God to deliver his target. "Then the call came on my mobile phone, informing me that the soldier and his vehicle were finally heading my way," he said. "The moment arrived. The Bradley stopped and the soldier stood on it ready to relieve himself. He was relaxed. He put his hand on his trousers. I took aim and fired one shot and saw him drop dead." Abu Othman punctuated the story with praise to Allah for his success. "It was the perfect situation for me," he said. "The soldier was standing and that made him such an easy target." In the world of the Iraqi insurgents, Abu Othman, not his real name, is a celebrity. Known to all as The Sniper, he is acclaimed for the consistency with which he dispatches victims - US troops and Iraqi "collaborators" - from ranges of 1000m or more. The tale of how a humble calligrapher became a renowned marksman by teaching himself from websites, honing his skills with computer games and studying Hollywood films such as The Deer Hunter is the stuff of legend in the Sunni triangle of militant towns to the north and west of Baghdad. One commander after another had boasted to me of his prowess and when a meeting was arranged at a house in the capital's suburbs last week, the most striking thing about Abu Othman was his unadulterated pride in killing. He claimed to have killed 29 men in all - 20 Americans and nine Iraqis. "I want to cry when I speak about my work," he said at one point during our interview. "I am so afraid that God will deprive me of this talent he bestowed upon me." The son of a senior police officer, Abu Othman dropped out of school to join Saddam Hussein's army but, to his family's horror, went absent without leave and lived like a fugitive for years, eventually finding work as a shepherd in the desert that straddles Iraq's borders with Syria and Jordan. When Saddam fell, he returned to his home town of Fallujah with his wife and four children. Soon afterwards came the first outpouring of hostility to US troops in the town. They opened fire on a crowd of demonstrators, killing 13. The incident stirred in Abu Othman a potent mix of nationalist fervour and religious zeal. "I decided to do something more with my life," he said. Two passions persuaded him that he was destined to be a sniper. He loved to shoot birds and was also a skilled calligrapher, engraving glass with handwritten verses from the Koran. He was convinced that the precision and patience this entailed would serve him well in the insurgency. "Sniping was the most natural thing for me to progress to," he said. He pushed himself hard to make up for what he lacked in education, reading manuals and grasping the rudiments of mathematics and physics required to calculate the range of a target, a bullet's drop over distance, the impact of wind speed and all the other technical intricacies of sharpshooting. He found lots of help on the internet. For months his entertainment included shooting games on his PlayStation. He believes they sharpened his senses. His favourite films included Enemy at the Gates, starring Jude Law as a sniper, and JFK, Oliver Stone's recreation of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Borrowing a sniper rifle, he practised for hours in the desert, firing at wooden targets he had fashioned in the shape of men. "I practised various distances, from 300m to 1000m," he said. "I trained until I felt ready to go and try my skills in the field." That moment came last April, as US forces prepared for an assault on the rebel bastion of Fallujah. Carrying another borrowed rifle, Abu Othman volunteered his services to the insurgents. "A day or two later they sent me a note asking me to take care of an officer in an American convoy who was involved in negotiating ceasefire conditions with officials from Fallujah," he said. The insurgents ordered him to a mosque. "I was scared as I made my way there. It was my first mission and my mind was racing: would I get the target or would I not?" He climbed up to the minaret with a member of a surveillance team that had identified the US officer as a target and was able to point him out among a group of soldiers in the street below. Before setting up his rifle, Abu Othman said takbeers - repeating "Allahu akbar (God is greatest)" over and over again. "I looked through the scope, worked out the calculations and fired. I saw him drop in the middle of the soldiers. "The mood in the mosque was buoyant ... people and sheiks hugged me and congratulated me and there were more takbeers." Later, the sheiks treated him to a large lunch where Pepsi flowed like water. "The mood was beautiful and I returned home almost out of my mind with joy." He received a visit from the fighters that night. "They came with a present," Abu Othman said excitedly. "They gave me my own personal sniper rifle as a token of their appreciation and a sign of their confidence in my abilities. It was still wrapped in its nylon." The weapon was a semi-automatic SVD Dragunov sniper rifle, with a range of more than 1200m. The insurgents soon called for him again, this time to "take out" an American sniper on the roof of a house on one of Fallujah's front lines. He was escorted to another house some distance away that gave him an uninterrupted view of the American's position. Abu Othman brought with him a home-made dummy head - a painted face on a stick topped off with a chequered headdress. His companion used it to create a diversion while Abu Othman made his calculations. "I put my trust in God," he said. "My only feeling was that I must kill him. Everything was ready. I looked into my scope and saw movement from the hole in the wall. I fired and waited. "There was silence from his side. I wasn't even sure whether I'd got him. Some other mujaheddin threw a few grenades at the house where he was positioned and when there was still no response they stormed the place. They found him dead on the rooftop with a bullet in his face." What drives him to keep killing? "When I snipe at my target and watch him drop, I feel elated - dizzy with ecstasy. I fall on the ground, shouting to God, calling 'Allahu akbar', for God is indeed great," he said. "When their snipers kill one of us, we go to heaven as martyrs, but when we kill them they go to hell." 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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:38:04 AM
im sorry... have you ever fired 1 of these things? there as shitty as any other AK... | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:39:09 AM
I would call BS.
That's a hell of a long shot for a dirt farmer practicing on his own, and SVDs are difficult to hit with at 1000 meters. That's a darn good shot for a military trained sniper using top of the line weapon and ammo. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:43:18 AM
yah the "I practiced for a few hours" right... give you a lifetime of trained eh
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:43:41 AM
Its just a BS story, sounds like he read one of the interviews with our snipers and fancys himself their equal.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:44:47 AM
How in the heck do you practice in the desert (for hours) and not be noticed by someone-eventually??
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:45:20 AM
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"A day or two later they sent me a note asking me to take care of an officer in an American convoy who was involved in negotiating ceasefire conditions with officials from Fallujah," he said.
The insurgents ordered him to a mosque. "I was scared as I made my way there. It was my first mission and my mind was racing: would I get the target or would I not?" He climbed up to the minaret with a member of a surveillance team that had identified the US officer as a target and was able to point him out among a group of soldiers in the street below. So he takes up a position in a "no fire" building. The he kills a guy coming to negotiate, under a French, white, flag? Real tough guy. I bet later that day he was at the local hospital uplugging incubators in the hospital's pediatric ICU. Seems like war criminal should be his next nickname. |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:48:31 AM
He sounds like a true Vasili Zaitsev in the making!!
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:51:38 AM
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Enimie(spelling) at the gates?
I guess they watch our movies also and are looking for heros |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:52:30 AM
Never been in the middle east, have you? | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:54:00 AM
Nope. Just figured with all the activity around someone would come across him.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:54:39 AM
Or read the book "War of the Rats".
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:56:39 AM
Pure Mooselim Jihadi BS!
A Dragonov SVD in top condition is 2MOA max at 600m… go figure ANdy |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:57:12 AM
Desolate wasteland only begins to describe the deserts over there. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:57:13 AM
It's a crock of shit.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:00:19 AM
I especially love this part:
"The tale of how a humble calligrapher became a renowned marksman by teaching himself from websites, honing his skills with computer games and studying Hollywood films such as The Deer Hunter is the stuff of legend in the Sunni triangle of militant towns to the north and west of Baghdad." Guess he has to have a steady hand to be a calligrapher=trigger control. The Deer Hunter-what in the hell did that have to do with shooting??  |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:01:46 AM
Story sounds like propaganda b.s. to me; however, I do know a local dumbass who exactly resembles the guy who made Ned squeal in "Deliverance". He's never had any kind of formal training, but competes and does very well in high power matches somewhere at or around Ft. Benning. I guess my point is that a dedicated person doesn't necessarily have to been through military training, in order to learn to hit man-sized targets @ 1000 m or y.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:02:37 AM
"studying films"? Since when is a film a reliable study aid for any skill? He exactly is this article written for? Well... then answer to that is: For people who have no heroes except those they fabricate. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:08:07 AM
(Jihadi mode ON) Billy Zane in SNIPER taught me all I know…(Jihadi mode OFF)
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:12:06 AM
What a joke a Dragunov shooting out to 1200 meters, what a complete load of BS. Would be lucky to hit anything beyond 400 max. I guess Allah Ackbar translates as BULLSHIT IS GREAT!
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:16:32 AM
I hear he killed three generals.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:20:47 AM
This is the Herald Sun, so it must have elements that appeal to the British, such as:
1) America bashing - CHECK 2) A dead American soldier - CHECK 3) An American who has no respect for other cultures - CHECK 4) A humble man beating America - CHECK 5) Showing that video games are effective terrorist trainers - CHECK Now who actually believes this story? First off, I do not believe, for a second that the soldier stood up and relieved himself in the same spot, time after time on his bradley. I think its pretty improbably and I'd bet its completely fabricated. Second, who believes that this guy was trained via websites and video games for sniper work? Anyone? This is more trash from the Herald. Nothing more. |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:23:06 AM
Time to loc. this raghead with a barret .50 , If we know where his family lives "LOC' them too . FUCK if Lonni boy Herruci could do it to two of our own , then shit Im sure there all kinds of unreported aciedental Discharges and dead Iraqis 800 or 900 yds away . BIGGEST fuckin problem with the whole damn thing are the damn reporters with cammeras . Killing folks isnt pretty , even when they could use a good klling ,Then you have some mothers son wailing for all to see on TV . I havent seen many pictures of americam moms wailing away ! These people Havent been defeted , Germany was defeated, Japan was defeted (and god knows those fuckers would die for Emporer , I honestly believe these muslims/arabs have been fed so much disinformation (from there own govs) they dont know which way is up .And NO MATTER what their ignorance or being misgiuded they must be stopped (any means nesseary) All I ever hear is this damn PR campiagn about ITS ONLY the Radicals....Then how come Plaistineans cheer and hoopla in the streets even to the point that the PLO Police discourage it for national news coverage . I m not sure its not time for "the recogning" IN truth though It ALL comes down to "Haves and Have nots" but I for one am not willing to risk "even a lil bit" of our way of life to a bunch of ingnorant , backward , Dark age livin , dog hating , whackos who dont even try to quell their own internal problem...(small minoroty....YA RIGHT ! Hey all you Muslims In Iran look up at the sky on a moonless night for a sign......Multi megaton warning high in the sky (no real damage on the ground) just a sign from Alha to his flock . bottom line is all this preemtion talk gets the world all shook up ...wait till Iran gets ready to fire up their reactor , Amer, Isreal , Britts . WILL NOT allow it to come on line . RL
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:33:55 AM
BS
Something familar about the story. Oh, yeh Michael Moron's new "documentary" asshats Midwinter |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:34:50 AM
I believe I can pre-empt Andy here by saying oy mate, bugger off!  I'm British and don't agree with any of those statements. So I must apologise on behalf of the British people for the nutjob of a Sunday times writer that wrote this. Unless of course they got it from some Al Jahzera pool writer who put this piece of bollocks propoganda in there on purpose. No way that guy could pull those feats off. /Phil | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:39:41 AM
If there was a real sniper and we were taking causalties. I think several things would happen.
There would be airstrikes called in and the area he is located in would be pulverized regardless of what is around him. Next our own snipers would be out hunting for this asshat. So really doubt he is real. All casualty reports come with the cause and I have not heard of any due to such causes. |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:46:03 AM
You don't agree that the British people like seeing our failures in Iraq? My bro was just in England and mentioned in a bar that he was a US soldier. Two people turned to him and told him to get killed or words to that nature. This was after being asked what he meant by being "on leave." So when I made those statements, I made them knowing what my bro had just "endured" in your fine country. I will also say that I think its sad that Britain is so close to mainland Europe. Apparently the pussified Euros are starting to wear off on the Brits. Can't we move Britain closer to America to counter the effects of France being so close to you? Just a thought.  | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:48:12 AM
It was a long, hot wait that summer's day on the rooftop and Abu Othman, 30, was glad of his headphones. He played his favourite verses from the Koran and their soothing flow cleared his mind, infusing him with a determination to see through the assignment, come what may. He prayed for God to deliver his target. What's that? Can't hear that JDAM falling? |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:51:13 AM
I don't care if the story is true or false. (I suspect false) The reporter in question, by admitting to undertaking the interview and publishing it, gave aid to the insurgents, and thus makes him the enemy in my book. (Read that treason) He should be taken out and beaten.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:54:28 AM
Did not read entire thread....BUT if the story is true, then there is a new name at the top of every sniper's to do list. A little counter sniping, if you will.
I would bet on the professional shooter and the Barret or M21/M40 vs. the hadji practising behind his house with a Draganov. |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:54:48 AM
There was an Iranian sniper who engaged our forces in Najaf who was extremely good, he was putting bullets through holes in walls that our sniper teams were using out to 800m - he nearly hit them too. IIRC, we moved in a bunch of sniper teams to find the guy, I think they finally killed him by dropping several JDAM's on a building, completely leveling it.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:58:46 AM
Do you really think that the USA would do indiscrimit bombing of a Iraq neigborhood because of one shooter? Your smoking crack on your first assertion and right on with your second. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 12:00:43 PM
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YES, If our soldiers are taking fire from a certain position, they will level it. It has already happened several times. Mosques were taken out due to insurgents hiding in them. If you dont think we will not do it, youre smoking something stronger then crack.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 12:12:15 PM
Hell I've seen ALL of the movies, so I guess that would make me Delta or something right? Just the same they should hunt down and kill this fuckstick. | ||
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Posted: 2/21/2005 12:31:14 PM
In Deer Hunter the kills were in the games of Russian Roulette, muzzle of revolver pressed against temple, hard to miss. I don't see how that translates into sniper training.
The whole thing sounds like typical A-rab BS. The only people they are good at killing is unarmed civilians. |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 12:45:33 PM
As a guy who has owned a Russian SVD I can attest he is NOT making kills from anything past 600 yards.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:04:25 PM
it strikes me as a bs story, but there is an element of basic truth.
there are "snipers" working for the insurgancy. it also my understanding that a couple chechan pros were killed last year after they shot a few soldiers. what i don't think everyone has realized yet is that all the wannaba jihadists from EVERYWHERE are seeing iraq as a place to go and train and perfect. theres also rumors of local insurgents with money actually paying the way for men who honed their abilities in the balkans. on the upside its only a matter of time before they recive a gift from the american taxpayer, be it 7.62, .50, or 500lbs. |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:10:21 PM
Assuming for a minute that this "sniper" is a non-fictional charcter, then the fact is if he had pulled off even one of the shots claimed he would have known the meaning of "raining Hell". Sending in the counter-snipers has a lot of romance, but artillery and air support are crude and brutally effective.
 The reporter probably got this whole story from a fat old Iraqi trying to sell a rusty Dragunov at the Baghdad Gun Show.  |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:20:07 PM
It's bullshit. This guy claimed to kill a lone American sniper on top of a building. The only problem is, American snipers work in teams. Nevermind the idea that you can practice shooting on a Playstation, and watch Enemy at the Gates to learn how to be a sniper.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:21:05 PM
OK!!!! JUST A MOMENT HERE!!!! Your making an AWEFUL lot of generalisations on the basis on ONE incident involving your bro in a bar. I'm sure a hundred similar ones occur in bars in California… your're out of order buddy! FACT: I'M with the Military here in Britain and I can assure you there is NO SIGNIFICANT anti War or anti Military feeing amongst the general public! On balance I would say there was less than in many places in the USA. I have never had anyone say anything against either me or the war to my face, neither have my mates. We had ONE demonstration outside the base since the start of OIF… just one! And only 100 people turned up, hippies, mooslims and a bunch of rent a mob idiots. Now, on to Hala Jaber, She is a pool writer contracted to the Times, she also supplies pool copy to many other sources. She is also a fanatical islamist. She has access to Hezbollah and was able to interview Arafat. She has become a bit of a joke with her 'exclusives' that are so far of the mark that no one takes any notice of her. She famously reported that the USMC was bogged down in hopeless fighting in Fallujah!… accurate or what! Along with her 'exclusive' on the Jihadies new car bombs using cyanide tipped shrapnel!… Do you see a pattern? Yep, she is just paying for some crap story and selling it on without actually doing the legwork herself. And her book on Hezbollah was published by Columbia University Press! www.columbia.edu/cu/cup/catalog/data/023110/0231108346.HTM Now I'm really sorry about what happned to your bro… if it was me I would have smacked the fuckers in the mouth… but don't tar us all with the same brush. ANdy | ||
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:32:15 PM
right, like a soldier is going to make himself a target by standing on top of an APC to piss
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:33:23 PM
I see that as a feature rather than a bug. The better to kill them with, my dear. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:35:31 PM
If they are firing from mosques. We should tear that mosque down. Its no longer a place of worship but a fortification. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:46:36 PM
If this guy does exist, time to take him out and capture or destroy his rifle.
I can't see how watching movies like the Deer Hunter teaches you woodcraft (stalking, concealed movement) skills. The dummy head thing does work for the unwary opponent (that stunt is over 200 years old). The story may have some truth, but is probably mixed in with a lot of propaganda to bolster the anti-American elements in Iraq. |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:49:17 PM
Every country in a time of war needs a hero.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 1:52:03 PM
That came from Al Jazeera, right?
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Posted: 2/21/2005 2:20:04 PM
Believe it or not, I've seen it. I actually witnessed one guy take his armor and helmet off, stand up and piss off the side of his APC (M113). He later said "I hate pissing in this thing" when we asked him about it. This was by no means in a secure area. It was in the street, outside of the police station in the town of Balad. The guy was wearing a 4th ID patch. I have actually witnessed this with my own eyes. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 3:05:35 PM
This is the incident I refered to in the steyr thread. I wouldn't mind seeing the original story if someone has a link. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 3:06:46 PM
Righto, carry on and all that rot! What!  | |||
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Posted: 2/21/2005 3:23:31 PM
Hala Jaber's reports are widely quoted on Al Jiz, she also has access to the Insurgents… However, it is easy enough to show this story is a crock o shit… (1) The SVD is only good to 600 yds tops, and that is for a rifle in perfect condition, in the hands of an expert marksman. It's 2MOA at best, so even at 600yds it's going to be more luck than judgement if you hit someone… and a headshot! Forget it! (2) According to the story the US has lost 20 men to snipers in the Rahmadi area… nope! (3) He is suppossed to have killed a USMC sniper… factual error here… were's the spotter! A sniper team is TWO men, a shooter and a spotter… no reference to the spotter. ANdy | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 4:02:39 PM
A young shepard boy from the urals named Vasili / a young goat hearder from the desert who learnd to shoot from his father's, uncle's, brother's kid boy.
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